Strip 109 - "Phaedrus vs. Gaius - Round 4"

16th Dec 2014, 12:00 AM in Forest of Doom
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Malroth 16th Dec 2014, 12:52 AM edit delete reply
If you have Great Cleave or Whirlwind attack you hit all of them.
Raxon 16th Dec 2014, 8:15 AM edit delete reply
Ah, one of those spells.
Disloyal Subject 16th Dec 2014, 9:48 AM edit delete reply
Disloyal Subject
Errata says that the images aren't valid for Great Cleave - hitting one counts as a miss, and even if you trigger it off the caster they aren't valid targets.
Otaku 16th Dec 2014, 3:02 PM edit delete reply
So... what's the reasoning behind that ruling? Then again, since I haven't used D&D 3e since the early 2000s and even then, didn't use it long, go ahead and and assume I need it detailed.

It isn't a matter of what the official ruling is, but whether its "...because we say so." or "...because here is how we say this works in our system, and because of X, it just doesn't work that way."
Disloyal Subject 17th Dec 2014, 9:41 PM edit delete reply
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As I read it, the ruling boils down to "Great Cleave triggers when you hit something, and Mirror Images are just images" - no substance to hit.
I've never played PF either, but I was curious to see how many duplicates the spell creates under Paizo's rules, so I looked it up.
Cervantes 16th Dec 2014, 4:12 PM edit delete reply
five duplicates will be created with this spell? And how long does it last?
Seems pretty overpowered and I expect Gaius to be a low level magus since he multiclassed.
Sorry, I am new to this. :-D
Nom 16th Dec 2014, 4:59 PM edit delete reply

It creates 1d4 +caster level/3 clones (up to 8). He has to be at least a level 4 magus to use a that spell meaning he probably rolled a 3.

So Phaedrus is going against someone at least 2 levels higher than him.

Fun fact, Phaedrus now has a better chance of hitting Gaius with his eyes closed. Though doing so has it's own drawbacks. Mainly, that he has a much lower chance of destroying images if he attacks with his eyes closed. He has a 50% chance to hit Gaius with his eyes closed as opposed to a 20% chance if he makes his attack roll with his eyes open.

Thinking in the more long term, so long as the fight does not last longer than 5 rounds, he has a better chance of getting more hits in with his eyes closed. At 6 rounds he has a better chance of getting more hits in with his eyes open.

This is all assuming Gaius is a level 4-5 Magus and does not boost his evasiveness any more throughout the fight.
holywhippet 16th Dec 2014, 9:42 PM edit delete reply

Maybe, maybe not. I've never been entirely clear on how mirror image works. Is it as though there are several duplicates of you in the same square or, more likely, are the duplicates in nearby squares. If the latter, you could argue you can target the square the original was in immediately after casting. But really closing your eyes won't help because you don't know which square to attack.
Nom 17th Dec 2014, 9:11 PM edit delete reply


"These images remain in your space and move with you"

They are in the same square as the caster, not adjacent.

"An attacker must be able to see the figments to be fooled."

Closing your eyes negates the spell, but it also grants them total concealment (ie 50% miss chance).

Of course, if he has the blind fight feat, he only has a 33% miss chance with his eyes closed.
Bitzer 16th Dec 2014, 7:34 PM edit delete reply

"Meteor Knight"
Never announce your strategy. *Sigh*
Rooker 17th Dec 2014, 3:37 AM edit delete reply
"Follow the Pebble"
While it would technically stand to reason that you could attack the original square of the caster, you should bear in mind that the copies aren't all the ones that moved. It's an illusion spell, the caster could move with an image to a nearby square while appearing as though all four copies shifted away. Lies within truth, truth within lies. That is the nature of a true master of Illusion...

So yeah, if Phaedrus didn't have that shock disorient him, he should probably aim for the space Gaius was in to begin with. :P

Though that's all assuming that the copies occupy different spaces instead of the same space as the original.
Malroth 17th Dec 2014, 4:49 AM edit delete reply
It is in the spell description. They're in the same square and move with the caster.
holywhippet 17th Dec 2014, 5:55 PM edit delete reply

The odd thing about the spell is that a successful, directed attack against a mirror image will eliminate it. But an AoE spell will merely make all the images affected appear to have taken damage. So they have both 1 HP and infinite HP depending on how you look at it.
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