Strip 142 - Alignment Tutorial - Part 8 (Lawful Neutral)

3rd Mar 2015, 1:35 AM in Corvus Village
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Disloyal Subject 3rd Mar 2015, 3:57 AM edit delete reply
Disloyal Subject
Oh man. I almost wish accounts weren't required anymore, just so I could grab some popcorn and watch the shitstorm over this one.
I'd classify Machiavelli's suggestions from The Prince as Neutral Evil with Lawful leanings, but little compulsion towards honesty. Brutal pragmatism at its finest. That said, he didn't really mean much of that book, though it is effective advice for a leader willing to cast away their humanity and commit atrocities to strengthen their country.
I'm biased; I classify plenty of selfish or well-intentioned things as Evil. Card-carrying villains are awfully rare, and even they sometimes feel justified.
daftdeafdave 3rd Mar 2015, 5:23 AM edit delete reply
daftdeafdave
Given that Machiavelli's politics didn't really gel with what he wrote in The Prince, I'm pretty sure he meant it to be read as neutral evil anyway.
Malroth 3rd Mar 2015, 5:38 AM edit delete reply
Malroth
Hobbes is Lawful Evil as is Sun Tsu, Macheveli Is Neutral evil. Adam Smith is a pretty good example of Lawful Neutral if you need one.
DragonTrainer 3rd Mar 2015, 5:20 PM edit delete reply
DragonTrainer
Hmm... *runs off to find Adam Smith's Wikipedia page*
Kyosuke Nambu 3rd Mar 2015, 11:09 AM edit delete reply


…I had heard something about The Prince being sarcasm, but I can not prove it. And yes, this is going to be unpleasant since alignment is what the majority of fights in D&D are over to begin with, and the line between 'Neutral' and 'Evil' is the hardest to draw or see. I guess the problem is that while good is benevolence, neutrality is indifference, and evil is malice, indifference can be 'Evil' more often then not. (Indifference to slavery, evil caste systems, the suffering or danger to others)
I hasten to add that I am merely describing the situation and not trying to state an opinion, and am therefore also (Somewhat Ironically) remaining neutral.
Alignment really is the most complicated part of D&D. Hell, knowing what right and wrong are can be the most complicated part of life itself.
Raxon 3rd Mar 2015, 4:06 PM edit delete reply
Raxon
Gonna weigh in here. The Prince was an attempt by Machiavelli to suck up to the tyrants he had often criticized specifically for being cruel tyrants. They exiled him, and he wanted to return home.

Every other book he ever wrote condemned tyranny and ruling through fear.
Kyosuke Nambu 3rd Mar 2015, 9:36 PM edit delete reply


Cool! I guess we really do learn new things every day. Thanks.
Raxon 3rd Mar 2015, 10:21 PM edit delete reply
Raxon
I am a fountain of information, more than you might think. Overflowing with knowledge, my large resource base lets me pull up plenty for most topics, though it often suffers from a case of TMI.
Disloyal Subject 4th Mar 2015, 12:12 AM edit delete reply
Disloyal Subject
Thanks for putting that more succinctly and elegantly than I could figure out how to.
Listen to Uncle Rax, boys & girls. There is wisdom in his madness.
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