Strip 765

14th Mar 2019, 12:00 AM in Cave of No Return
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Arillius 14th Mar 2019, 2:18 AM edit delete reply


I'm actually curious about this. Near as I can tell, there is no way to have both Martial Flexibility and Weapon Training on a pure fighter, unless you go with the Barroom Brawler option. Which complete crap compared to the multi-class version as it offers barely any uses in comparison.

Others were theory crafting earlier. Did someone find a way to make it work as a pure fighter?
kgy121 14th Mar 2019, 2:36 AM edit delete reply


What they're using seems to be the curative version, and implies the guy has a +12 or higher Fortitude. It also limits him to using that once per day, or lower spells slightly more frequently. Probably better to go the item route.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/item-mastery-feats/curative-mastery-item-mastery/
Arillius 14th Mar 2019, 3:35 AM edit delete reply


That's not quite how the Iron Caster works. You don't pick the Item Mastery feat as a feat. You don't even pick Advanced Weapon Training as a feat. You take a class with Martial Flexibility and a class with Weapon Training (Brawler/fighter usually works) and then with Martial Flexibility, you pick Advanced Weapon Training whenever you want (up to several times per day. You can get quite a few uses out of it by going Brawler). When you pick AWT, you then get the chance to pick Item Mastery while you have this extra bonus feat. Which then lets you pick from your choice of the Item Mastery feats.

All in all, as a Brawler 15/Fighter 5 you can get as many as 11 uses of Item Mastery a day whenever you want. Veeeery strong.

Or you take another feat, Barroom Brawler, which gives you 1 use a day of Martial Flexibility, and get to do it a max of 5 times with another feat. Useful, but far less, and the only way I know of to be an Iron Caster as a pure fighter because...

Martial Masters trade in Weapon Training, required to get Advanced Weapon Training and thus get Item Mastery through Martial Flexibility, for Martial Flexibility. i.e. you can't have both. Barroom Brawler circumvents this, but is very weak in comparison to the original option, giving you only half the uses of the ability per day and only at a much higher level.

I'm not even sure there's a way to be a Martial Master and also get Weapon Training without multi-classing, something our friend with the mohawk is very much against. But I could be wrong, which is why I'm curious.
Crazy Lou 14th Mar 2019, 11:08 AM edit delete reply


There it is! Phaedrus already knows how effective Martial Flexibility is. He's already started to feel the pressure from the martial/caster gap. And now, he's met just the person to show him how to make his single-class career work for him. I've been hoping for Iron Caster Phaedrus for a while now, and seeing it straight-up namedropped is a good sign.

The biggest snag is retraining away his archetype, which will be a bit expensive (at least 2500 gp and 5 days, according to a quick look), but he might have someone to train him right here. I hope his archetype doesn't kill the idea right here, because retraining is a thing and he should be told of it. Besides that, he's hopefully earned a level here, which lets him get started on the basics.

It's not perfect by any means, but if Phaedrus wants to make it work as a pure Fighter it will work for him. It's a fairly minimal investment (Gloves of Dueling, one feat, one AWT, and some skill ranks) for a lot of utility over his career, and it doesn't really detract from what he wants to be doing anyway. I think he'll be very glad for instance to Fly without assistance starting at 8th level.

And, if in the end it's not what he's going to do, I hope DragonTrainer's got something else cool up their sleeve.
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