Strip 077 - "These are not the droids you are looking for"

27th Sep 2014, 12:00 AM in Forest of Doom
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Raxon 27th Sep 2014, 2:21 AM edit delete reply
Speaking of bots and gold sellers, I tried to set up something to combat that in Mabinogi once.

I reasoned that since the chinese gold farmers were concentrated in certain areas, we should make a big sport out of stealing their kills and rob them of all of that. This would ensure that they would miss their quotas. I mean, they don't use bots, they use people for it. The pitiful little real money items designed to stop them were two second distractions at best. They were literally just little bombs that forced the accused bot of solving a capcha. That's it.

Everyone agreed it was a good idea, and they agreed that, eventually, the farmers would die out. The problem is that the farmers were mostly gathered in the low level areas, and most everyone basically said, "Yeah, that's a real good idea! You get right on that. You have my full support!" And that was a valuable learning experience about people in MMOs.
DtDoom 27th Sep 2014, 10:18 AM edit delete reply

People suck. It doesn't matter where you find them. This is the general rule.

There are exceptions of course. There always are.
Malroth 27th Sep 2014, 10:12 PM edit delete reply

Sorry little Chang no food today, a Griefer killed all the lv 6 mobs Daddy was supposed to grind for GP.
Raxon 27th Sep 2014, 10:46 PM edit delete reply
It's not evil. It's just a very effective means of population control.

China already does this, and apparently, it's very effective at managing the population.
Ilmaros 28th Sep 2014, 7:18 PM edit delete reply

"Live and let live"
Well, though gold sellers are annoying, most games allow you to silence them. It's as all of you say: for starters, it would be needed a lot of organized people working together in order to have chance to put a stop to it, and there aren't too many who are willing to use their free time in such a way, specially if they're playing for fun and can just ignore the nuisance. On the other hand, gold farming in a mmorpg is actually a job, and considering how screwed can one be without one, i'd rather not mess with their income, even moreso if i don't know wich circumstances are behind each one of those gold farmers. Think about it. Maybe you manage to screw up a few and among them there's a kid who's using the money to pay for his mother's health care, or his study fees, or whatever. As in most jobs, a lot of people end there out of necessity, and i consider a good thing not going around potentially ruining people's lives just because i don't know them and there's a possibility that i'm not ruinning anything after all. Maybe a good alternative would be to institucionalize it inside the very structur of the game, enabling specific channels and areas for doing just that. It has a chance of working too, since you wouldn't be counting on the goodwill and free time of random people but rather in the interest of the company to improve their product.
Ilmaros 28th Sep 2014, 7:20 PM edit delete reply

"Should've tought that back in the day..."
Now that i think about it, that's actually a good idea, if i do say so myself... I should put it in motion next time i get hooked to an mmorpg (if it ever happens again).
Raxon 29th Sep 2014, 12:27 AM edit delete reply

Gold farmers like that are chinese slave labor. No joke. You can't make enough gold in mabi unless you have dozens of people working round the clock, and even then, you can't afford to pay them a reasonable wage for it. Not unless they have rather high level characters with very powerful abilities.
Ilmaros 29th Sep 2014, 2:53 AM edit delete reply

I don't know about mabinogi, since i've never played, and it's true that i've seen some farmers that fit into that category, but i've also met some that are just mindlessly grinding with overpowered characters and (if their word can be trusted) they're just in it to get money while they find an actual job... that's why i say one can never really know, and the potential damage is, in my oppinion, not worth it.
Raxon 29th Sep 2014, 5:15 AM edit delete reply
Mabi had 24/7 farmers and bots that just spammed chats with "Buy gold cheap" shouts. There were websites you could order gold from. Honestly, it's pretty lousy, since it tends to ruin it for actual players.

Very much like how it happens in WoW.
Ilmaros 29th Sep 2014, 11:34 AM edit delete reply

The best example of what i'm talking about was a WoW player, and a friend of a friend of mine irl. This guy used to spent most of his time playing and had some bots do the advertisement for him. Of course, since he was by himself, he arranged the gold selling directly by pm, but that was all a byproduct, since the actual bulk of his income came from selling rare items (while sometimes power-leveling customers at the same time, though he said that wasn't very common for him, since low level players dragged him down too much, so he mostly did that for friends). Last thing i knew from him, he had quitted WoW and started doing the same in Diablo III, and i was told he was on the top 50 players of Europe during the first month. That said, the one thing i always wondered about him was how did he expected to get an actual job if he spent all his time playing instead of looking for one, but i deemed unpolite to ask him, since i barely knew him.
Raxon 29th Sep 2014, 2:58 PM edit delete reply
Okay, see, it's the bot advertising I take issue with. Those things piss me off to no end, because as soon as you ignore one, it's replaced by another. The bots are against the TOS, they are annoying, and spamming chat is rude.

Selling gold, I have no problem with. Selling items, I'm okay with. It's his method of advertising that makes me think he's an asshole.

I don't mind the selling of high level items that much, really, since my beef with the chinese dicks is that they were overhunting the low level areas, making it harder for anyone to get started.
Ilmaros 29th Sep 2014, 4:03 PM edit delete reply

I see your point, then. And i concede, though i still think that trying to get people to do something like that in an mmorpg can be an issue and it would be easier to make the developer implement an ingame system reserved to those assholes and have the company resort to ip bans (instead of just banning accounts) against the transgressors. Granted, they could always do a proxy orotherwise mask ther ip's, but at least the message would be clear and it would prove to be a pain in the ass for several offenders.
Ilmaros 29th Sep 2014, 4:09 PM edit delete reply

When i said 'instead of just' i meant 'on top of'. My brain played a trick on me. Again.
Raxon 29th Sep 2014, 5:23 PM edit delete reply
Lemme say this right now. In games that allow it, I kill spambots on sight.

Actually, I also kill people who spam chat but aren't bots. I generally hate pvp. I don't like playing TF2, and I don't join pvp servers in MMOs. I will, however, find a way to kill that person, even if I have to kite a raid boss into the newbie village to do it.

I'll do it, too. I crashed a server once by accident, because some raid boss created a couple little minion things each time it got hit. The problem is the boss was poorly coded, and there was no limit placed on that.

Entire town of newbies desperately trying to kill the giant monster to get it to stop dropping these minion things. Dealing 2-8 damage per hit against a boss with something like 150k hp. Yep. Big crash. It was an accident, I swear. I didn't know about the flaw. I was rather content to watch from a distance as the minions became so numerous that they overwhelmed everyone.

I was amused for all of a week until people found out they couldn't kite the boss all the way to town anymore. So they would stand outside the boss's range and spam attack him, then lead the hundreds of minions back to the newbie town, then vanish and watch the minions swarm the newbies.

And that, boys and girls, is how I accidentally crashed a server, and almost ruined a game. They had to take drastic measures, like putting in a single line of code, limiting the boss to spawning eight minions!
DragonTrainer 29th Sep 2014, 5:43 PM edit delete reply
That actually sounds like it'd make an interesting event quest. Newbie town gets overrun and everyone has to take up arms to protect their home. :p
Raxon 29th Sep 2014, 7:54 PM edit delete reply
Mine ended with all of them dying. A lot. They had to eat the rez penalties because they couldn't get to their graves to dig out their stuff. I pretty much TPKed an entire starting town.

I kinda used to be sorta maybe a little bit incredibly evil and vindictive.
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