Strip 085

16th Oct 2014, 12:00 AM in Forest of Doom
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Malroth 16th Oct 2014, 12:59 AM edit delete reply


Kill a guy he's worth XP once, Disarm and tie up a guy and he's worth XP every time he attempts revenge. (note this requires them hating the person who spared them enough to dedicate their lives to revenge, how to achieve this is up to the player)
Raxon 16th Oct 2014, 5:39 AM edit delete reply
Raxon
How hard is it to create an illusion of the enemy's girlfriend happily flagging her back nine for your mighty club?
Ilmaros 16th Oct 2014, 7:31 AM edit delete reply


Easier than casting a geas to force your enemy to take revenge on you, but also a bit less absurd in its concept, so i think i'd stick with the geas.

On a sidenote... Why use an illusion? charm is a lvl 1 spell easily abused in such a way, and it has the advantage that if the guy didn't pick the idiot ball and instead of acting on assumtion decided to question his girlfriend about it, he will find out his rage is justified... plus you'll probably gain a chance to beat him again right there while saving a damsel in distress from the homicidal rage of his previous boyfriend.
Ilmaros 16th Oct 2014, 8:03 AM edit delete reply


"Now that i think about it..."
Actually, both the ilussion and the charm would require you to either know fairly well or be in comntact with said enemy's girlfriend... so the geas aproach could be actually easier to pull off (and in essence it's still more absurd and idea that the other two plans, so it's still my favorite).
Raxon 16th Oct 2014, 9:08 AM edit delete reply
Raxon
You could use a geas to make him remember it that way, and then have him chase you to the ends of the earth. Best of both worlds?
Ilmaros 16th Oct 2014, 11:16 AM edit delete reply


I'm not sure if a geas can be used in that way (and i'm inclined to think it can't), but if you throw in a mind rape, a sculpt memory or whichever such other spell that allows you to modify memories, then you can have, as you say, the best of both worlds. Though i still prefer the geas to force him to take revenge of you for enchanting you with a geas. There's a sort of poetic perfection in the structure of the idea.
Ilmaros 16th Oct 2014, 11:17 AM edit delete reply


"Correction"
*Enchanting him, not you. I should pay more attention to what i write.
Malroth agian 16th Oct 2014, 2:23 PM edit delete reply


Lesser Geas is a 4th lv spell, if you're less than lv 7 (or lv 4 with an optimized artificer) its not really pratical.
Disloyal Subject 20th Nov 2014, 3:42 AM edit delete reply
Disloyal Subject
"You're All Horrible People. I Like It Here."
The illusion has the advantage of being funnier.
Malroth 16th Oct 2014, 2:21 PM edit delete reply


1 DC 20 gather information check and a Minor image spell (or silent image and a perform acting check opposed by his sense motive)
Ilmaros 16th Oct 2014, 5:55 PM edit delete reply


Wait, practical? i was talking about using a geas to force a guy to attack you for casting geas on him... how does being practical has anything to do with it?

And, btw, you can get lvl 4th spells far earlier if you know how, like at level 5 or so. Regarding the illusion spells, either you have an illusion able to also replicate touch and sound or you're pretty much doomed to fail if you are to play the role of yourself. If you're not (and i don't quite get why you wouldn't, since obviously doing this means your sanity level is not that high anyway), then you'll need to duplicate only the image and the sound, wich is really easy to do with a couple of low level spells or a single spell with a bit higher level. Still, your DC 20 gather information check will fail if the guy's not from around the place, wich is fairly common for a PC enemy.

But i'm missing the point. The whole idea of using a geas in the first place was to do something akin to killing flies using heavy artillery, as it's also what happens with using spells such as mind rape, wich is a lvl 8 or 9 spell from either the book of vile deeds or the lord's of madness one, if i remember correctly. The good part of it is that (assuming average rolls for our foe's ST and sufficiently high mental scores for your spellcasting ability) it's a foolproof way to do something that could be achieved with a lot less resources and a bit of effort (as depicted in Raxon's original idea, my charm person version, etc.), and my reason to pick the geas option over the others is, as i stated before, its innate poethic beauty, wich can be seen easily (by me, at least) if you compare it with one of the most ancient literary devices: the circular composition (starting and finishing a work with the exact same lines to give it a feeling of completeness). Sure, it's not practical, but that was the point of it, since i was thinking from a perspective of absolute power instead of a munchin's low-level character one.
Ilmaros 16th Oct 2014, 6:05 PM edit delete reply


Heck, you even said so yourself! you can get a lesser geas at level 4 with an optimized artificer (and sorry about that, my eyes played tricks on me and i read 7 twice... still, i was thinking from the perspective of a wizard/sorcerer/arcanist, since (sadly) artificer got kinda banned in my group after my GM decided it was not worth the effort of asking any of us munchkins to update the class for pathfinder and then find himself in a world of pain out of the blue because of what would've seemed a perfectly balanced proposal... not that we do it on purpose, honestly).
StoneCliff 16th Oct 2014, 11:51 AM edit delete reply
StoneCliff
Alternatively, you could simply keep him unconscious and tied up, and every few days let him 'escape' for an hour or so, then just find him and beat him again. (Note that this can only work so many times before the enemy loses the will to fight. I suggest replacing him with a higher level opponent every 3 'escapes' or so.)
Ilmaros 16th Oct 2014, 5:59 PM edit delete reply


Well, that a possible aproach, but it's even less guaranteed to work than the other ones, since after being beaten by a clearly superior foe and without any extra motivation retreating will be the first thing than will appear in the mind of most.
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